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Matthew Johnson wrote:
> In article <7C26D8BD-98B5-9861-772F-8E035E68B3CB@srcbs.org>, Gary says...
> >
> >
> >"Matthew Johnson" wrote in
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> [snip]
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> >Matthew, I was giving a strict definition.
> >That is, the CHOICES are DETERMINED by the SE:LF.
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> I knew that...
>
> >How the "self" determines these choices is very complicated.
>
> True. It is good to see we agree on that at least.
>
> >But I agree that all of us are "influenced" by external
> >means.
> >It is just that what I am saying is that these external
> >things
> >do NOT DETERMINE the choice. IF they do DETERMINE
> >the choice, then the self has not determined it, and hence
> >is
> >relieved of responsibility.
>
> But this is where you go astray: why, oh why, are you so certain that there are
> only two possibilities here? Doesn't that ring of 'false dichotomy' to you? It
> does to me.
>
> How can you a priori rule out the possibility that 'determination of choice' is
> not a JOINT action resulting from BOTH external influence and internal
> inclination/decision making/etc?
>
> [snip]

If accepting Yeshua (Salvation) is a necessary choice all must make
(John 3:16-18), and we all have different external, environmental,
nurture and internal differences, biological and aptitude, which
infuence our decision to accept or refuse, then to be a just God who
requires all to accept in order to receive salvation, the external and
internal influences must be able to be put outside the equation for God
to maintain His justice.
Those who go with the predestination theory, say that no one deserves
the grace of God, so if you are pushed more or less by God to make your
choice, He still remains just.
The other camp says, that is not true justice. They would say that the
influence factors are taken into account so that all have the same
amount of +&- factors that go into the equation.
I think both camps agree that a retarded person who cannot mentally
make a decision for Yeshua, still can be saved. And I think they all
agree that even if God has the right to have mercy on who He will have
mercy, for God to send that retarded person to Hell, would be an
injustice.
In John 3:16, YHVH promises that if you believe, you will receive
everlasting life. God does not lie and God is just and God is
unchanging. What He promises, He will do.
He promised to bring Israel back to the land as a nation reborn in one
day. If He is so mighty to do that, He is also mighty to save.
Ruth
Ruth


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