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Gary McNees wrote:

> "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> news:153.21.08.05.919325000@srcbs.org...
> >
> >
> > Gary McNees wrote:
> >
> > > "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> > > news:151.00.15.05.309505000@srcbs.org...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gary McNees wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thus, as I have repeatedly stated before, God gave the GOOD gift
> > > > > of free will, and man by misusing it sins.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Knowing full well what will happen, I give a gun to one man which he
> > > > uses to shoot game to provide food for his family. He takes a good
> > > > gift and uses it wisely.
> > > >
> > > > Again, knowing full well what will happen, I give a gun to another man
> > > > who uses it to shoot his wife and children.
> > > >
> > > > Does "free will" absolve me in the second case?
> > >
> > > I wouldn't give a gun to the second man. :)
> > [...]
> >
> > But you have God giving free will to someone who He knows will misuse it
> > to cause misery, destruction, and death.
> >
> > So how do you justify this?
>
> Why do I need to Justify God? I don't.

Then I don't need to justify God declaring man responsible even if they
don't have free will.

You can't have it both ways, Gary.

>
> In my theology the man to whom God gave the GOOD gift
> of free will is to blame for all the misery, destruction and death.

Yes, I understand your position.

What you ignore is that God knew what would happen when He gave the
gift. Just you knew what would happen when you gave a hired assassin
the gun with which to kill your wife.

[...]

>
> In your theology God is responsible for all the misery, destruction,
> and death.
>

Outside the covers of the book, yes.

> Your god cannot by fiat, saying "the man is responsible," (even
> though I made man, and his condition, and will, and control all things,
> even his will) make it TRUE. It is false on the face of it.
>

Inside the covers of the book, certainly He can.

Did you walk out of the theater after seeing Revenge of the Sith saying,
"there, there, Darth. It wasn't your fault -- blame Lucas."?

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Golly what a long thread. Has anyone touting 'faith without works is
dead' actually described what 'works' means?

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