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gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:

> After Adam fell, and died spiritually, he still heard the voice of
> God, and responded to it.

Yes. He _ran away_ from it. He had no choice, because he
knew God was coming to kill him.


> So much for the unregenerate not responding to God.

You're changing the argument. The unregenerate do respond
to God. Their will is bound, so they have no choice but
to flee.

You haven't, in all these posts, made an argument in support
of free will other than that it seems right to your intuition.
You site verses, but they don't mean what you wish they
meant.

Bart

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Gary wrote:

> "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> news:175.06.23.05.466665000@srcbs.org...
> >
> >
> > Gary McNees wrote:
> snip
> > >
> > > Acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and
> > > foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have
> > > crucified and slain:
> > >
> > > This evil deed was indeed by the "determinate counsel and
> > >foreknowledge" of God, but
> >
> > There's that little word again, 'but'. The favorite word of people who
> > can't stand the plain sense of any text. Used by the
> > salvation-by-works crowd, free-willers, and anti-Trinitarians alike.
> >
> > The deed was done by the "determinate counsel of God".
> >
> > Period. End of sentence. End of argument.
>
>
> "determinate counsel of God." IS NOT THE END
> OF THE SENTENCE!
>
> Did God put into the sentence "AND FOREKNOWLEDGE" for
> no reason?
>

No, but the question then becomes "foreknowledge of what"? If we're
dealing with the question of salvation, Scripture clearly states "not of
human will or effort" (Rom 9:6) and "who were born ... not of the will
of the flesh or of the will of man". (John 1:13). So, for salvation,
God's foreknowledge is not based on what man does.

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In article <094.13.09.05.024288000@srcbs.org>, basicallyblues says...
>
>

[snip]

>Interestingly at Acts 1:10 Luke does not use "anabaino" but uses
>"pereuomai"! Why did Jesus not use this word at John 3:13???

I already answered this. The answer is, because it does NOT mean 'go up'. It
only means 'go'. Did you really not see the answer, or are you being obtuse
again?

> That would<