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In article <8D435349-1BD8-E916-C09B-0B9072E7F05A@srcbs.org>,
lsenders@hotmail.com says...
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>I have not been following this thread.

We can tell.

> However, the thread title has
>been of interest to me for Aquinas wrote:

>"free will is not an independent causality.

So then does he believe it is a 'causality', but not an _independent_ one, or
does he believe it is independent, but not a causality?

> God works in the finite
>will in the way that the nature of it requires that he should;

which means?

>although, therefore, he changes the inclination of man to another
>direction, nevertheless, by his almighty power he cause that man >should freely
>will the change which he experiences;

And how often have you and other 'Reform' propagandists denies THIS? I have lost
count.

> and thus all consraint is
>removed.

Again: how often have you and other 'Reform' propagandists denies THIS? I have
lost count.

> For to suppose otherwise, that the man willed not to change
>which is a change in his will, would be a contradition." [Neander,
>"History" 4.481)

Now why can't you give the citation in the original Aquinas? Why did you have to
give Neander instead? Perhaps because you have never read an entire paragraph of
Aquinas yourself? But then you cannot understand him.

>Man can ruin himself but he cannot save himself.

That does not deny free will. So what IS your point?


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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
quidquid boni habet, tribuat illi a quo factus est.
(St. Augustine, Ser. 96)


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I would just like to point out to all you evangelicals out there that
you have not seen anything of the after-life and I have.

I can tell you this. Hanging on to a bible and going to church don't
mean a thing as far as getting into Heaven. I know this for a fact.

In fact, Heaven isn't even a place you go to. It does exist, but in a
peculiar way that is hard to put into words, which is really how it's
meant to be.

Please just treat each other well and with understanding. Try to be
good people and stop thinking that the prayer and other things will get
you into Heaven. That's not what it's about. Trust me. I've been there.

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In regards to what you sai