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basicallyblues wrote:
> I wrote:
>
> >Without a doubt my statement that "Jesus is Michael" is an implicit
> >Bible teaching
>
> Matthew wrote:
>
> >No, rather, without a doubt, it is NOT taught by the Bible in ANY
way,
> >implicit or not.
>
> Wrong. It is implicitly taught. There is no other person Michael
could
> be but Jesus. Evidence already presented in one of these threads. I'm
> not going to waste my time rehashing it for you for you will simply
> offer a petulant "No it's not!"
> If anyone reading this wants an explanation let me know.
>
> >1 - the Word is co-eternal with God (John 1:1-3)
>
> no he isn't- never was and never will be. (Prov. 8:22;

That is wisdom speaking (which is readily apparent from reading the
whole chapter rather than picking one verse out of the middle). It is
also called "she". Was the Word a "she?" If the world was created
through the Word, then it cannot be talking about the Word, since it
also makes reference to the being spoke of here as being separate from
the Creator. The reference is to two different beings.

> Rev. 3:14;


> Col.1:15;

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all
creation.

Same chapter, different verse:

19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,

If all of God's fullness dwells in him, than what is he?

John 6:57

57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father,
so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

"Sent" him where? To Earth. As a human. He lives as a human because the
Father sent him.

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Matthew wrote:
>And in ALL of these examples, the vision was of a _reality_. SO these
>examples
>do NOT support you. These examples support _our_ contention that
>James & Peter
>really _did_ see Moses and Elijah on the mountain-top.

basicallyblues writes:
LOL. Oh really? So the "vessel" that Peter saw "descending like a great
linen sheet...in it were all sorts of four-footed creatures and
creeping things of the earth and birds of heaven" at Acts 10:11, 12
truly existed? You really believe these animals truly descended in
fleshly form from heaven during this vision? Matthew you are having a
vision of your own here. You are simply trying to hold onto a incorrect
theory here.

James & peter "saw" a vision of Moses and Elijah. Only in that sense
did they see them. Moses and Elijah were in the graves awaiting a
resurrection at that time.
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