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nospam@nospam.com wrote...
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> "Life is Hell" wrote in message
> >
> > pia_sten@hotmail.com wrote...
> > >
> > > can anyone recomend a good book for a beginner wanting to study the
> > > bible?
> >
> > What's wrong with using the Bible, combined with prayer to gain
> > understanding into the meaning of troublesome passages as they occur?
> >
> > That's all you need.
>
> Not really. You can pray until you are blue in the face, but the chances
> you'll get a direct revelation fro God as to who the Saducees, Caesar and
> Herod were are slim. It's very unlikely God will reveal in a vision where
> Damascus is in relation to Jerusalem.

Guess it really gets down to what you're reading the Bible for,
doesn't it? The original poster didn't say. The person you're
replying to apparently assumed it was for spiritual reasons, and
you're apparently counter-assuming it was for history and geography.

> I'm curious: do you read the Bible in the original languages? I doubt it.
> I'm pretty sure you read a translation. So... you read the product of other
> people's study of material outside of Scripture (in case you didn't notice,
> the Bible doesn't include an Inspired Lexicon) but you'd suggest that
> someone else deprive themselves of the same. that's pretty weak.
>
> Rufus

Speaking of weak, your examples are easily addressed by any decent
encyclopedia.

How about if you leave the pointless flaming for the alt.* groups?

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gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:

> After Adam fell, and died spiritually, he still heard the voice of
> God, and responded to it.

Yes. He _ran away_ from it. He had no choice, because he
knew God was coming to kill him.


> So much for the unregenerate not responding to God.

You're changing the argument. The unregenerate do respond
to God. Their will is bound, so they have no choice but
to flee.

You haven't, in all these posts, made an argument in support
of free will other than that it seems right to your intuition.
You site verses, but they don't mean what you wish they
meant.

Bart

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Gary wrote:

> "Bob Felts" wrote in message
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