nnalyd@yahoo.com wrote:


> basicallyblues writes:
> LOL. Oh really? So the "vessel" that Peter saw "descending like a
> great linen sheet...in it were all sorts of four-footed creatures and
> creeping things of the earth and birds of heaven" at Acts 10:11, 12
> truly existed?

Hmmmm....so which to you think is closer to reality: What we
think of as real or what God says is real? Personally, I'd
say that John's Revelation is more real than the Iraqi war.

Bart

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Gary McNees wrote:

> Bob Felts wrote:
> > Gary McNees wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>[wrf3]
> >>>>>>>If election is not based on human will or effort, then how can man be
> >>>>>>>said to be free in this respect?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>[gary]
> >>>>>>It is not BASED upon human will or effort.
> >>>>>>It is in ACCORD with God's foreknowledge.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>[wrf3]
> >>>>>So what did God forsee that determines who is and who isn't elect?
> >>>>
> >>>>[gary]
> >>>>God doesn't "foresee."
> >>>
> >>>[wrf3]
> >>>What knowledge did God use upon which to base His choices in election?
> >>
> >>God is independent, hence His knowledge is independent of creation,
> >>hence His choices do not depend upon any thing created.
> >
> >
> > That doesn't answer the question. If God's choices are "in ACCORD" with
> > His foreknowledge, what is His foreknowledge in accord with?
>
> Reality. The reality He created and sustains.

That's too nebulous. Can you be more specific?

>
> He saves no one against their will.

That's because He changes their will.

>
> Regeneration is THROUGH faith, and not the other way around.

Actually, they are simultaneous. When God touches you, you touch God.

>
> Faith is not a "good work."

It depends on how it is viewed.

>
> Hence to receive Christ and salvation through faith is
> not meritorious, at all.
>

It is if you connect it to God's foreknowledge.

> Works and faith are constantly opposed in Scripture.
>
> Although no man seeks God, God seeks all men.

If no man seeks God, whence the change? What causes the "light switch",
as it were, to be flipped?

> Although no man is able to come to Christ without
> God drawing them, God draws all men to Christ.

Sure, bur drawing is not the same as saving.

>
> Those who learn what God teaches, come to Christ
> and are saved. All are taught of God, but many
> refuse to learn.

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