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In article <174.03.14.05.789037000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
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[snip]

>> This is a strange definition of free will. Because you cannot will
>> to fly (or rather since we need to keep a careful difference between
>> willing to do, and actually doing), you don't have free will?
>
>Notice what you did.

The failure to notice is yours, not his.

> You confused "inability to carry out" (i.e. I
>cannot fly) with "inability to will".

No. You cannot choose what is beyond your power. You can only wish it. But this
is a different sense of the word 'will'.

>I can will to fly, but I cannot fly.

That is why it is more accurate to say "I can WISH to fly", NOT "I can will to
fly".

>God cannot will to change His nature.

Not 'cannot', but DOES not.


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>And how do you know this? Chapter and verse, please. In some book
>other than the imagination of Gary, chapter 7, verse 16.

Your habit of resorting to such snide comments instead of logical rebuttal is
what has convinced me that you are NOT interested in the truth; you are only
interested in upholding 'Reform' falsehood at any cost.

[snip]

>> Most Calvinists only insist that man is unable to will to be saved.
>
>Because most Calvinist doggedly insist on sticking to Scripture and this
>is what Scripture speaks to.

No, no Calvinist sticks to Scripture, doggedly or not. You all interpolate into
Scripture by conjuring up your own theologically biased definitions of key terms
in Scripture, inventing excuses to systematically misread passages all over
Scripture. Your mishandling of Ez 18:23 is a perfect example of this.


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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
quidquid boni habet, tribuat illi a quo factus est.
(St. Augustine, Ser. 96)

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The guy needs a search engine, though.


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gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:


> Some of us believe that teaching that God loves (savingly)
> only the "few" while he hates the "many," e.g., Jacob and
> Esau, representing the elect and the non-elect, respectively,
> is a very severe misrepresentation of the true God.

We only know God by what He reveals to us about Himself,
and Jesus is the epitome of thi