Stephen M. Adams wrote:
> "Streamer" writes:

> >
> >Do you mean faith comes from works, and works comes from grace?
>
> God gives grace which enables us to believe and follow God, if we
accept
> it.
>
That grace doesn't merely "enable" but rather constrains us. Faith is
the instramental causation, not the efficient causation nor the
material causation.

Also, to press this further, then one must of a necessity come to some
sort of conclusion involving some sort of realization of there being
mortal sins and venial sins. But even the RC position doesn't declare
that mortal sin actually casts the once regenerate back into a state of
being unregenerate.

To fall from this grace, according to the OC traditions, just what does
and what does not occur?

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In article <984B9174-B6A4-C1C9-FCEB-0E17D354649D@srcbs.org>,
Sarah Kanary says...

>"dell12345" wrote in message
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>Jesus is rightly called God (in the sense of Mighty God, >
>not Almighty God) and only-begotten god (John 1:18).

[snip]

>> In this same chapter (20:17) Jesus said: "I am ascending
>> to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God."


>> The illustration is still valid, human judges at Bible
>> times are called "gods". See Psalms 82.

>Right on!

So: you are taking the role of JW cheerleader now?

> The apostle John, as all Jews, worshiped Jehovah
>ONLY.

Of course. But since, as you even admit yourself, Jesus
Christ is the PERFECT image of the Father, all worship to
Jesus CHrist is reflected PERFECTLY to the Father.

What did you THINK "perfect image" meant?

> John also recorded the prayer of Jesus Christ. The idea
>of Jehovah bowing His head in prayer would be preposterous.

No, it is not. Or, if it is, it is no more 'preposterous'
than the many other things Christ did that shocked the Jews.

> To whom, then, would Jesus, a Jew, be praying? To the
>only God a Jew could pray without being stoned to death:
>Jehovah! In his prayer to Jehovah, Jesus addressed Him as
>"the *only* true God."

And this is exactly what He did. He prayed, acting in
accordance with His human nature, to the one true God.

>An interesting note on Isaiah 9:6: The LXX, used by
>first-century Christians, did not say "the mighty God", but
>instead, said