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In post <38D01486-E2D6-9064-BC2B-
B2F8B7D34272@srcbs.org> Bart cries:


k...@ccountry.net wrote:
>> Your point is ill conceived at best;
>> at worst it is deliberate.

>> A)
>> "Scripture says..." is your first error, inasmuch as
>> you do not provide any, much less all Scripture
>> that describe and/or define faith.
>>

> Since I provided Heb. 11:1, which says "faith is...",
> your point A is amply refuted.
>

No, you have not. You provided:

"Scripture says that faith is our conviction of things
we haven't seen."

This is not what Scripture says. Your statement is false.

Point A stands.

>> B)
>> is not what Scripture states. You've replaced "_the_
>> conviction" of Heb. 11:1 with "_our_ conviction" and
>> appended the word _we_. You've broken Scripture
>> and added your own jot and tittle.
>>

> No more than you have, by replacing Greek with
> English. If you want to quibble about translations,
> then argue with someone who cares.
>

But I haven't. I'm using your English statements, your
English quotes, your English references, and I thought
_you_ did care. I find no English translation that says
what you claim it says. The fact is you altered the data
and this fact is quite apparent in your affected conclusion.
That you care so very little for accuracy speaks volumes
of your methodology.


Point B stands.


>> C)
>> "The contrapositive to that statement is
>> 'Conviction of things seen is not faith.' "

>> Your point is clearly false. I seriously doubt you
>> would recognize a contrapositive if it bit you in
>> your aspect.

>> The contrapositive to your statement would be,
>> "Conviction of things we have seen is not our faith."
>>

> Since I teach logic at university,
>

I'm sure all in this NG feel your pain but that will get
you no pity points.

> ...my advice to you
> is not to try to beat me at my own game. It's funny
> that the contrapositive to the exact statement in
> YOUR translation is what I give,
>

Well, DUH and thangQ, Perfesser Obvious; that's why
it was posted. You, OTOH, have given two different
conclusions for two different premises which neither
match your premise nor accurately reflect Scripture.

> and, after you
> quibble about the "we", you try to reject this
> argument on the basis that it has "we" in it.
>

You chose to add "our" and "we", one of but many
errors, then posted your version of a contrapositive,
your point to that statement. But your point lacked the
"we" and "our", it was not the logical equivalent of your
own premise, not a contrapositive at all.
Your poin