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Bob Felts wrote:
> Gary McNees wrote:
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>>Bob Felts wrote:
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>>>Gary McNees wrote:
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>>>>No, it is not. Man can will to not receive it, but can only will to
>>>>believe in Christ under God's drawing power.
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>>>You just hung yourself. You stated that man "can will to believe in
>>>Christ." That proves that in your soteriology salvation is the end
>>>result of the act of a man's will.
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>>Well, you misquoted me again, but I am not surprised. Most Calvinist
>>have no problem doing this.
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> I didn't misquote you at all, as I'll show you.
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>>I said "Man can will to not receive it, but can only will to
>>believe in Christ under God's drawing power."
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>>You left out "under God's drawing power," or what is the same thing,
>>God's enabling.
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> But that makes no difference to the end result. Regardless of the how,
> you have man willing to believe. It doesn't matter if God enabled him,
> or if it was because he just ate a sandwich. You have made man's will
> the determiner of man's salvation.

Read George Smith's post which Quotes Augustine. I agree perfectly with
Augustine and he with me.

> To see that this is so, take the case of two people, A and B. In your
> soteriology, God loves them both, and enables them both. A believes
> through an act of his will, B does not believe, likewise through an act
> of her will. Therefore, God's enabling isn't the determining factor --
> it is an individual's will.

I agree. But neither COULD believe were it not for God's drawing.

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>>>>>and Ephesians 2 says "and that not of yourselves".
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>>>>That what? This refers to salvation, not faith.
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>>>They can't be disconnected. If salvation is "not of yourself" then
>>>faith is "not of yourself".
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>>Why?
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> Because faith, like salvation, is a gift of the Spirit.
>

If it is a "gift of the Spirit" then it is a gift which is offered
to everyone, and anyone can reject the gift.

>>Here is a world recognized expert in Greek telling you what the Greek
>>means. But don't let the fact that you are wrong bother you.
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> He didn't get what he said from the Greek -- he read his theology back
> into the Greek.

No that is not true. The Calvinist constantly reads his theology into
the Scripture, but must in many cases change Scripture to actually
reverse its meaning.

>>>>>No, the Calvinist says that God draws all men. Some to salvation, some
>>>>>to damnation.
>>>>
>>>>Wow! This is pure eisegesis, and furthermore directl