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"Bart Goddard" wrote in message
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> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
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> >>> I'm wondering whether you realize that "enabling" is a
> >> bad thing. You probably mean "empowering".
> >
> > I don't care too much about political correctness.
> > I used the term, "enable" because Calvinists always
> > use the term "unable."
> >
> > And Christ said that no one is able to come unless
> > God draws him.
>
> It's not about political correctness, but about what
> the word has come to mean. The meaning of a word
> is only related to its etymology, it's not the
> etymology itself. Just because "able" is the root
> word, doesn't mean that "enable" mean "en" "able".
>
> Enable and empower are almost the same word, but
> the first has very negative connotations, while the
> second has very positive ones.
>
>
>
> >>>We are saved when when we believe, "He that believeth on
> >>>the Son hath everlasting life:"
> >>
> >>
> >> I (and others) keep asking this question, and you don't
> >> answer it. Here, you make a claim, and then you cite
> >> a verse which doesn't say anything like what you claimed.
> >
> > Uh? To dense I guess.
>
> "Too". The verse says "he that believeth is saved".
> You say "We are saved when we believe"

Precisely! And I repeat it!

There are verses in which the logical ORDER of
faith and life are not clear. But there are numerous
ones which are clear! And in EVERY one of them
the order is LIFE THROUGH FAITH.

NEVER faith through life, as you and your
Calvinist commrades teach.

John 20:31 But these are written that you may
believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God,
and that by believing you may have life in his
name.Life FOLLOWS believing.John 3:15 that everyone who believes in him may
have eternal life. Eternal life follows believing.John 3:16 ¶ "For God so
loved the world that he
gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes
in him shall not perish but have eternal life.Eternal life follows
believing.

John 5:40 yet you refuse to come to me to have lifeLive follows coming to
Christ.

John 6:40 For my Father's will is that everyone
who looks to the Son and believes in him shall
have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the
last day."Eternal life follows believing.>. Your sentence
> has a time element in it ("when") so that your
> sentence makes believing happen first and salvation
> happen after (and as a consequence.)

Exactly! God gives life, regenerates a person AFTER they
believe in Christ.

> Since this is
> the central issue of our discussion, you rea