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In article <132.12.09.05.480738000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
>Matthew Johnson
>> In article <130.59.21.05.665455000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
>> >
>> >Stephen M. Adams
>>
>> [snip]
>> >> There is no way to answer a straw-man argument directly. Not without
>> >> conceding something that we will not concede (because it is not true).
>> >> Namely, that we are 'arminian' which we are categorically not.
>> >>
>> >> Since Loren has created an either/or false dilemma, there is no way
>> >> to answer his question directly. When he's willing to admit that
>> >> there is a 3rd way, then we can have a fruitful discussion.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Or, you could save us the trouble and tell us what this third way is.
>> Unfortunately, that would not "save you the trouble". Not as long
>> as you cling so tightly to your own false assumptions that
>> encourage you too, to insist on this "either/or false dilemma".
>I'm quite able to evaluate different systems.
No, you are not, Bob. Your repeated failure in so many threads is
clear enough proof of that.
>Tell me what your presuppositions are and where you take some of
>them.
So are you, like Loren, infatuated with claiming to know other's
"presuppositions"? Are another devotee of VanTil?
The bad news is, Bob, that your _own_ presuppositions are too
misleading for you to have this ability you claim, the ability to
understand where my 'presuppositions' lead, the ability to "evaluate
different systems".
>> And yes, I have seen from your previous posts that you do insist on
>> this same false dilemma. Worse yet, when the evidence was presented
>> to you that it _is_ a false dilemma, you ignored it.
>No evidence has been presented.
That is not true. It has too been presented. Do the search yourself in
Google if you don't believe me. Since your claim is so excessively
broad, I cannot give you the search terms to use, but start with Ez
18:23. I already explained to you in detail how this passage refutes
Calvinism. You had no rebuttal.
Once you see that Calvinism must be, and is refuted by Ez 18:23-32 (at
least, in a _faithful_ translation), you will see that there MUST be a
third way, even if you cannot see what it is. And that puts an end to
your false dilemma.
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