alienbill@wyoming.com wrote:

> How can we reconcile that freedom with the responsibility not to
> offend another believer?

Sacrifice everything for the sake of love and compromise nothing for the
sake of the Gospel.


If my Baptist aunt-in-law visits my house and I want to have a
beer, there are two scenerios:

1. Her faith is weak and the presence of beer drinkers
challenges her faith. In this case, I'm bound to hide the
beer and refrain from drinking during her visit.

2. She boldly announces that drinking beer is a sin,
and tells me I'm going to hell for it. In this case,
I'm bound to proclaim the Gospel by chugging one (or two)
defiantly.

Bart

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Bob Felts wrote:
> zach wrote:
>
> > > > >Whatever the case the Bible says that nobody had gone to
heaven
> > > > > prior to 33 c.e.
> > > >
> > > > >The Bible says nothing of the kind.
> > > >
> > > > Sure it does. John 3:13.
> > >
> > > Let's read it again putting the Greek verb tenses into English:
> > >
> > > No one has ever, by their own action and power, ascended into
heaven
> > > except the one who, by His own action and power, descended from
heaven.
> > >
> > > What this verse clearly demonstrates is Jesus' majesty, power,
and
> > > ability. It does not indicate that no one has ever been taken
into
> > > heaven.
> >
> > I can think of no usage of something or someone "ascending" if not
by
> > its own power or volition, or talked about passively by design.
Over
> > the weekend, I have been trying to think of even one example, and I
> > cannot. Anyone? The statement seems pretty clear.
> >
>
> Helicopters. Planes. Balloons. Rockets with astronauts. The
rocket
> goes up under it's own power, the astronauts are taken up.

I think Bob is correct. A person can actively ascend or descend in a
building by using the stairs or passively ascend or descend by using an
elevator. I see no reason to limit the word "ascend" to climbing
the stairs and not apply it also to riding up in an elevator. If God
reaches down and raises a man to heaven, the man can be said to have
ascended to heaven. If on the other hand he climbs Jacob's ladder to
heaven, he also can be said to have ascended to heaven.

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Matthew Johnson wrote:

> > This was their<