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So we are into Jehovah's Witness doctrine at this juncture. Might not
self-identity be in keeping with integrity here?

Burl Ratzsch



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Gary McNees wrote:

> "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> news:143.48.18.05.679865000@srcbs.org...
[...]

> >
> > Note that you read something into the passage which simply isn't there:
> > "without first being regenerated". Where in this passage is that to be
> > found? It isn't -- you're engaging in circular argument, a fallacy that
> > cannot go undetected.
>
> I am not reading anything into it. Christ said that had they seen
> the miracles they would have repented.
>

And for the umpteenth time, it doesn't say _why_ they would have
repented.

> Do you believe that? If you do, then you do not believe in Total
> Depravity. For your system to work Christ would have had to say,
> "if I had regenerated them, and they had seen the miracles they would
> have repented." But it does not.

It doesn't have to, since that's what is said in other places.
[...]

> The verse plainly says that upon seeing the miracles, they would have
> repented!

Never said otherwise.

> This you cannot abide! Hence you must add to Scripture,
> and insert the Calvinistic false doctrine that God would have had to
> first regenerate them.
>

That's because "Those who are unspiritual do not receive the gifts of
God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to them, and they are unable to
understand them because they are spiritually discerned."

> Further, even when God says specifically that one must believe "IN
> ORDER TO BECOME" a child of God, you deny it.

No, I don't. I've explained why several times. When God "touches" you,
you touch God.

[...]

>
> When God says in both positive and negative language that Christ is the
> Propiatiation for the WHOLE WORLD, you deny it!

So do you, since you aren't a universalist.

[...]

>
> > > You go to another place, unrelated, and start spouting your false
> > > Calvinist filth.
> > >
> >
> > It isn't unrelated. You can't take one passage of Scripture and claim
> > that it says what you want it to say without comparing it with the rest
> > of Scripture.
>
> I compare all Scripture with Scripture. Where we differ is that I take
> Scripture for what it says. Where it is without question stating God's
> love fo