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In article <091.36.16.05.291484000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
>

[snip]

>So we're saved becaue of our ability to reason?

You who criticized BB for his false dilemma are so quick to come up with this
one of your own? NO, I never said that. What I said is that we are not saved if
we insist on using our ability to reason _against_ God, which is what he does
who clings to heresy, despising the true teaching of the Church.

> Such a person can still
>believe that Jesus died for their sins and rose again.

No, he can only put on the _appearance_ of such belief. But the real McCoy
remains alien to him. So on the Last Day, he will be one of the many Christ
refers to when He says

Many shall say to Me on that day, "Lord, Lord,
didn't we prophesy in Thy name, and cast out
demons in Thy name, and do many wonders in Thy
name"? And then I shall say to them, "I never
knew you: depart from Me you workers of iniquity!"
(Mat 7:21-22)

Ironically, BB will probably show a better understanding of these verses than
you will, Bob! As a JW, he knows better than to follow Luther!


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Subudcat se sibi ut haereat Deo
quidquid boni habet, tribuat illi a quo factus est.
(St. Augustine, Ser. 96)

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In article , Bob Felts says...
>
>Matthew Johnson wrote:
>
>> In article , Robert Sutherland
>> says...
>>
>>>
>> >We can infer that from the self-evident truth "ought implies
>> >can".
>>
>> Well, _some_ of us can infer this. But A rather disturbingly high
>> proportion of regular participants in this NG rejedt the truth you label
>> 'self-evident'.
>
>And why not? Christianity itself is hardly "self-evident". In fact,
>Jesus and Paul are so radical that many Christians have trouble
>understanding them.
>
>>
>> >Job has consistently done that which is right.
>>
>> And what I find even _more_ disturbing is how many participants deny _this_
>> truth.
>
>Why, Job was so righteous that he had to admit that "I despise myself
>and repent in dust and ashes." [J 42:6]

Aha! So you ARE relying on a tendentious translation! No, that is NOT what God
said to Job.

On the contrary: the HEbrew of that passage is maddengly vague. It is quote
plausible to translate it as something quite differen