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gilgames wrote:

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> Dale DePriest
>
> We can certainly understand some of what God wants but as you say he is
> different from us and we cannot fully understand God until we get to heaven.
> >>
>
> Yes
>
> <<
> Not true. The concept that Christ would suffer is in the very first
> prophecy in Genesis 3:15 where God says to Satan that he would bruise
> heel of the seed of woman and Christ would bruise his head.
> >>
>
> My interpretation for this is that the Messiah will die, due to the fact
> that all humans shall die as a consequence of the original sin and He
> will be human. The word "shuwph {shoof}" occurs only 3 times in the
> Bible, Gen 3:15 "and thou shalt bruise his heel", Job 9:17 "breaketh me
> w/ tempest" and Psalm 139:11: "darkness shall cover me". IMHO all of
> these means some temptation but not unreasonable suffering intended by
> the Ruler of the events.
>
> <<
> Who are you saying has power over His Son? Certainly not man in any real
> sense. And since Christ is God there is nothing that has power over him.
> While he was on earth he did exactly what his father willed in all
> things having emptied himself when he was born.
> >>
>
> Naturally we don't know who or what is God in Itself, only how we should
> think about God: as a sadist who primarily and before any reason want
> even His Son to suffer; or as a loving Person who goes along with the
> consequences of our failures.
>

I do not see this as making God into a sadist but you must realize that
something had to be done to reconcile a sinful people to a holy,
rightous God. If you study his holyness and his rightousness you may get
some insight that this was not a trivial matter with God. The price for
sin must be paid. Can you think of another way that God could have
chosen to pay this price? The solution must satisfy his holyness and his
rightousness.

The death of his son was certainly very significant and cost dearly but
remember that God rose him from the dead after he desended into hell. He
now sits at the right hand of the father.

Dale


> laszlo
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