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In article <176.05.16.05.102998000@srcbs.org>, lsenders@hotmail.com says...

>George Smith wrote:

>> This doctrine, like so many, has no "brief" definition. A fact you
>> already well know by your long answers to this group. A place to
>> start is in the following article:

>Indeed! And yet why is that? This is fundamental in the operation
>of obtaining salvation, is it not? If Christ admonished the
>disciples to "suffer not the little ones to come unto me," then there
>must be a simple explaination of its operation.

What? What _are_ you prating about? You couldn't even get the Gospel
quote right!

>But I knew there was no such definition.

Actually, you are wrong there, too. There is Aquinas's definition,
which you do NOT understand. It is at
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/108302.htm

> In fact, the philosophers of history have never resolved it.

How can you be so sure of this? You haven't _read_ them. You have read
only a small biased sampling of their writings. In particular, you
have, out of your own habit for extreme doctrinal bias, passed over
the most relevant philosophers in silence: you have NEVER read
Sts. John of Damascus and Maximus the Confessor on this very topic.

>Nor, indeed!, the fathers of the CHURCH. AUGUSTINE, IN "AGAINST
>JULIAN" (2ND VOL., 8:23) FINALLY CONCLUDES THAT WILL IS A SLAVE AND
>NOT FREE AT ALL.

It is typical of your error-prone method of reading that you said
'finally' here. And it is in error; for his _final_ opinion was not
_in_ this book. It is in the book I have been telling you you must
read, which you have refused to take into account. I refer, of course,
to De Gratia & Libero Arbitrio.

But this is not even the worse of your error! For you have repeated
the same error as above, except this time sinning against the Fathers
of the Church instead of the philosophers! For AGAIN, you are simply
flat-out wrong. The Fathers _have_ resolved it. You just don't like
the resolution, since it means your OSAS is also dead wrong. So once
again, you read a limited and biased sample, and make sweeping false
generalizations to hide the poverty of your theology -- and the even
worse poverty of the spirituality based on it!

> In "De Spiritu et Littera," Augustine, as Lombard after him, that
>"free-will" has no power of its own except to fall and to fail.

Again, this was not his final opinion either. And after he realized he
had to modify his position, he wrote De Gratia & Libero Arbitrio.

>Like Erasmus, the Sophists, the Platonist, free will is never defined
>without leading to serious objections and retractions.

Not true. Yo