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> Stephen M. Adams wrote:
> > lsenders@hotmail.com writes:
>
> >
> > You fail to exhibit even the most basic understanding of Orthodox
> > theology. You also misrepresent the teachings of the Scriptures.
> > Finally, you make "sola" statements and then turn right around
> > and either contradict them or explain them away.
> >
>
> I wrote and sent of a lengthy reply to this post. I guess it must have
> got lost. I was hoping you had merely chosen not to post it until you
> could post a reply. Oh well.
>
> In brief I will add only this. In all my years on these two NG, I have
> repeatedly asked for a detail listing of RC "traditions." Over the
> last year or so, I have asked the same of the OC defenders. You refuse
> sola scriptura yet you also refuse to provide any website, book title,
> etc. which provides a true disclosure of your "traditions" which you
> say are equal in authority to the Scriptures. Thus I have rightly
> called your traditionalism relative. There is no verification and yet
> you would have us blindly believe there is something more than
> Scripture to rule over the Church.
>
> Also, in this reply of yours, you repeatedly made statements that led
> me to believe that you believe in total depravity. You stated that man
> cannot of himself save himself. This indicates two things. 1) Man is
> ruined. 2) he doesn't really have free will. He is a slave.
>
> I will not again go through your reply line by line. But I would like
> you to put forth a real effort to explain to me and the others how you
> can maintain that man cannot save himself and yet dismiss the doctrines
> of TD and bondage of the will?

Loren, almost ALL Christians deny your doctrines of TD and no free will.

The Scriptures clearly controvert your TULIP theology, in every point.

You have the audacity to condemn the theologies of us who deny TULIP,
and yet can see no error in your own theology!

The fact that this theology is NEW, and was not taught by anyone before
Augustine when he was old age, and then not revived again until Luther
and Calvin seems to make no impression on you.

You ask, "how you can maintain that man cannot save himself ."

We maintain that God OFFERS salvation to all, as is obvious throughout
Scripture, and is given as a gift to those who believe in Him.

Accepting a free pardon does not "earn" it. and man does not
save himself, God saves those who receive Christ.


12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave
the right to become children of God-

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