Sarah Kanary wrote:

>
> >Was the transfiguration a
> > hallucination, or was that really Moses and Elijah there on the
Mount
> > with Jesus?
>
> Jesus himself said that it was a *vision*. (Mt. 17:9)
>
Sarah, you really have to do violence to the text to hold what you here
infer with the English. Peter certainly doesn't think of it as
illussionary, for he writes of it:

For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you
the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses
of His majesty. For when He received honor and glory from God the
Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic
Glory, "This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased"--
(2 Pet. 1:16-17).

He holds to the reality of the experience but places experience beneath
the testimony of the Scriptures.

2 Pet. 1:19 And so we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which
you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place,
until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.

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Gary McNees wrote:

> Greetings Bob:
> Please see below.
>
>
> Bob Felts wrote:
> > Gary McNees wrote:
> >
> >
[...]
> >
> >>That is, I have met or talked to very very few persons who claim that
> >>they were converted by hearing TULIP.
> >
> >
> > TULIP is not the Gospel. I usually don't bring either up either
> > Arminianism or Calvinism unless someone wants to know about the
> > questions addressed by each.
>
> I have conversed with many a Calvinist who assert that the "true gospel,"
> is TULIP. And if one does not believe TULIP then one is not a Christian.

Calvinists can be wrong on some things, just like Arminians can be wrong
on others.

>
> Actually, Bob, I would be interested in how you, as one who espouses that
> TULIP is true, can possibly argue that there is any real Gospel. (How can
> even an elect person see the Calvinist "gospel" as being GOOD NEWS!)
>
> True it is good news for you and me,

So that answers the first part.

> but horrible news for almost all humans!

Why? Do you know the number of the elect? I certainly don't. And
Revelation says that there was "a great multitude that no-one could
count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before
the throne and in front of the Lamb."

>
> For me to tell someone that well, Christ died for me, but He may not have
> died for you

S