"Bart Goddard" wrote in message
news:151.00.15.05.563553000@srcbs.org...
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> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
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> > Had God not sent His Son, then there could be no Gospel promise
> > to believe, and thereby to be saved.
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> Right. You teach that all Jesus did was buy us a "chance" to
> get saved. This is contrary to a doctrine that says "Jesus
> saves". I believe Jesus redeemed men, not chances.

I would prefer the word "opportunity" as opposed to chance.
Like God says, "that He MIGHT have mercy upon all."

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> >> >> There's that as yet unsupported link between cause and
> >> >> responsibility.
> >> >
> >> > Responsibility = ability to respond.
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> >> Have you supported this little equation with Scripture
> >> yet? No. In spite of being asked multiple times.
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> > Sound reason demands that their is no responsibility where there is no
> > ability to respond. It is not rational to hold someone responsible
> > when they could not have responded.
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> So your reason is that "it must be reasonable"?

Is it reasonable that an "a" is an "a?"

> How can you say it's not rational to hold someone responsible
> when they could not have responded, when we do this all the
> time in our society. And we all applaud when these irresponsible
> people get their come-uppance. Some idiot is yacking on her
> cell phone and doesn't see the little kid in time and
> smacks him with her car. She didn't choose to hit the kid.
> She didn't even know that hitting the kid was an option on
> the table. But we all agree that she's responsible for being
> irresponsible.

Actually, this case has happened twice recently here in
Florida. In both cases the person drove through a red
light and kill someone.

All the law did was to take away their licsense.
Big woop.

I think that they should have been guilty of a minimum
of manslaughter.

> > Therefore, reason also demands that all moral creatures are morally
> > free; that is, they have the
> > ability to respond one way or another.
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> You claim that all infants are saved. Are they moral creatures?
> Are they saved against their will?

How do I know about a baby's will? I can hardly remember
things from yesterday.

But at least I don't contradict myself in a single sentence, to whit:

Quote Bart: " I haven't asserted anything. "

The above IS an ASSERTION.

> "Reason" doesn't demand this either.
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> > Whatever evil we do and are responsible
> > for, we could have responded otherwise.
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> Both Scripture and our own experience shows this is not true.