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> Gary McNees wrote:
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> > I could go on and on. Every point in Calvinism is riddled
> > with Contradiction.
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> What is the true contradiction, "the lie" in Pauline termonology, is
> that fallen man has true autonomy when related to Godly good especially
> when every jot and tittle of scripture declares that the "heart of man
> is deceitfully wicked," and "all our righteousnesses are as menstral
> rags."

This was spoken by the Prophet Isaiah. Hence YOUR ideas
are just as subject to error as anyone elses. Where you depart
from God's word, you are in error. And Calvinism departs
from God's word in many ways.

> > Not only internal contradictions, but obvous contradictions
> > with Scritpure - but with this you agree.
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> > For example, they claim on the one hand that God determines
> > all things, both Good and Bad. But some admit that the bad
> > He only "permits." (Calvin and other famous Calvinists deny
> > even this.) But then they claim that what they call "free will,"
> > is such that the man cannot choose otherwise. Hence cannot
> > choose to not commit a particular sin.
> >
> Again, you fail in your refusal to distinquish between volition and
> freedom. This is essential if one is going to appreciably argue the
> nature of the case.

> > For God to determine, under Calvinistic theology, evil,
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> Evil is the antithessis of good and yet it has no life of its own.

True. Rust can only exist on metal. A moth hole can only exist
in cloth.


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> > He
> > must make certain that the dominent evil desires are there
> > to cause the people to do the ordained evil deed,
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> -"allowed for" evil deeds. For if you remain consistent to your own
> proposition, then God's experience is chronological, i.e. you place
> chance behind God. You also deny all prophecy. And you deny all
> passages of scripture of the nature of the Isa 14 passage quoted above.

Loren, I don't know where you come from a lot of the time. You assert
nonsense with me as you do with Matthew and Stephen.

It would seem that you have no problem lying about you opponents,
and putting false hoods in their mouths, as it were.

Instead of just spouting off utter nonsense which has no bearing on the
topic, why don't you acctually address what your opponents say?

It seems that you NEVER do this. But then again, why am I not surprised?
You take after your mentor, Corney Van Til.

I SAID, God does not EXIST in time! God "enhabitteth etenrity."
There is no "chance" with God.

Just because you seem to be inca