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lsenders@hotmail.com says...

>Matthew Johnson wrote:
>> In article
>> <4B400023-24A5-7F65-8740-273083A98DBF@srcbs.org>, Bob
>> Felts says...

>> > Aquinas is trying to have his cake and eat, it too.

>> And being a much better logician than you are, Bob,

>> >Notice that Aquinus removed the word "freely" here. Had
>> >he omitted it in the prior statement he wouldn't have
>> >landed in logical hot water.

>> He is NOT in "logical hot water". How could he be, when
>> he was always a much better logician than you are?

>Matthew, when are you going to stop being so acrid in your replies?

That was not 'acrid'.

>Tell me this, how do your caustic words bear witness to any
>degree of being indwelt by Spirit let alone led by the
>Spirit to reply?

I have lost count of how many times you have given a much
more caustic reply. And yet you dare rebuke me?

> You _may_ occassionally best an opponent by your breadth
>of education, but you repel all sensitive seekers.

Bob is clearly not a "sensitive seeker". Neither are you.

>It is to your shame in the Lord that such bitter tones come
>from your pen in defense of your denomination.

You call _that_ 'bitter'? You should read Gorky. For that matter, you
should pay closer attention to the bitter tone that often emerges in
your own posts.

>> How irresponsible of you Bob! You are accusing of
>> "landing in logical hot water" a man who not only was
>> always much more the logician than you, but whose mastery
>> of Aristotelian philosophy and logic WAS the main reason
>> Europe of his time started taking Aristotle seriously
>> again.

>And returning to Aristotle brought in humanism in an even greater
>degree to Catholic theological dogma.

Now it is you who is being irresponsible. It did no such thing.

> It forced a humanistic understanding as to who man is as
>opposed to the Divine revelation of Genesis. Western
>society is largely ruined because of Aristotlianism
>presuppositions.

You blame the Aristotelians for the ruin of Western society
and you call _my_ post bitter? But the truth is, you could not have reached your
ridiculous conclusion unless your view of Westenr society was jaundiced by your
own bitterness Oh, BTW: your accusation is
both groundless and false.

>> >> Man can ruin himself but he cannot save himself.

>> >Man cannot even ruin himself.

>> Notice that that was Loren's restatement of Aquinas, not
>> Aquinas himself. So no guarantees here that he understood
>> him!

>Nobody und