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>
> Stephen M. Adams wrote:
> > lsenders@hotmail.com writes:
>
> > >It
> > >also wrong views faith as an act of the will instead of
a
> constraint.
> >
> > An act of will possible ONLY with God's grace.
Salvation comes by no
> > other means than by the life, death and resurrection of
Jesus Christ
> > and the outpouring of God's love and grace.
> >
> > The difference between us is that you insist that you
are a puppet,
> > an automoton, programmed by God to do each and every
thing - you can
> > not deviate nor resist. I say the Scripures teach no
such thing.
> >
> Nor do I.

Loren, I cannot tell you how many Calvinist have put forth
the picture of God being the Author of a book and we being
the characters in the book. This very analogy has been put
forward here on this list more than once.

The author of a book decides every move, every thought, and
every word of every character, unless the author is insane.

This is the picture put forward by Calvinists themselves.

Gary




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Stephen M. Adams wrote:
> lsenders@hotmail.com writes:

>
> You fail to exhibit even the most basic understanding of Orthodox
> theology. You also misrepresent the teachings of the Scriptures.
> Finally, you make "sola" statements and then turn right around
> and either contradict them or explain them away.
>

I wrote and sent of a lengthy reply to this post. I guess it must have
got lost. I was hoping you had merely chosen not to post it until you
could post a reply. Oh well.

In brief I will add only this. In all my years on these two NG, I have
repeatedly asked for a detail listing of RC "traditions." Over the
last year or so, I have asked the same of the OC defenders. You refuse
sola scriptura yet you also refuse to provide any website, book title,
etc. which provides a true disclosure of your "traditions" which you
say are equal in authority to the Scriptures. Thus I have rightly
called your traditionalism relative. There is no verification and yet
you would have us blindly believe there is something more than
Scripture to rule over the Church.

Also, in this reply of yours, you repeatedly made statements that led
me to believe that you believe in total depravity. You stated that man
cannot of himself save himself. This indicates two things. 1) Man is
ruined. 2) he doesn't really have free will. He is a slave.

I will not again go through your reply line by line. But I would like
you to pu