gpat...@bayou.com wrote:

>Jesus died because he got in the way of powerful people. And the only
>way they could get him out of the way was to kill him. And those who
>could have stopped those who wanted Jesus out of the way, did not have
>what it takes to stop them. So evil people condemned Jesus and put
him
>to death.

No doubt about it the Pharisees wanted to remove Jesus because he was a
challenge to their authority- same wiitht he Romans for the charge of
sedition was a threat against Caesar. BUt why did God allow Jesus to be
brutally murdered? Why did Jesus allow it when he could have summoned
"twelve legions of angels" to obliterate his enemies? Afterall one
angel killed 80,000+ persons in the past.

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Greetings George:

I wrote in another post that I have been a Elder in two
Calvinistic churches, one very large, and another smaller one.

I know many Calvinists, and most are very wonderful, gracious,
loving people. It is primarily the Calvinistic theologians who give
such a bad name to Calvinism, for they really understand what
Calvinism is all about.

Please see below.

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> Gary McNees wrote:
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> > Another logical fallacy. But one used very often by Calvinists.
> Calvinists
> > would like everyone to believe that if one is not a Calvinist, they
> REALLY
> > don't believe Scripture.

> I am sure you got that idea about Calvinist from Calvinist you have
> known. I wish you would not associate with those Calvinist, they give
> Calvinist a bad name. Develop a relationship with some sane Calvinist,
> and you might find out that Calvinist are not devils but rather half
> way decent human beings.

The people are very decent human beings. The Doctrine TULIP is
worse that a doctrine of devils.

> > Further, the common Calvinist claim is that if
> > one is not a Calvinist then they are an Arminian, which is blatantly
> false.
>
> I have never heard that one must choose between the two. I still think
> that you should not associate with those types of Calvinist. They
> would turn me off too, and I am a Calvinist. Where have you found that
> kind of Calvinist? Are they near where you live? If so, I know it must
> be terrible to live near people you hate so much.

Have you read any of Loren's posts here? How about James White?
Really, most of the Calvinistic theologians teach this.

Lo