Bob Felts wrote:
> Gary McNees wrote:

> > > So what did God forsee that determines who is and who isn't
elect?
> >
> > God doesn't "foresee."
> >
>
> What knowledge did God use upon which to base His choices in
election?
>
We must not apply anthropocentric idea's upon God. HE, now we, is the
Archtype. This somewhat akin to when people begin to discuss the wrath
of God. They place upon God human emotions. Wrath is not merely some
process of Divine reaction, an inevitable process of cause and effect
in a moral universe. Nor is it correct to think of God in terms of the
highest human ideals of personality while yet attributing to Him the
irrational passion of anger. To do so assumes that anger is always an
irrational passion. For men, there is such an anger. But equally, for
men, there is also a thoroughly rational anger. Case in point, the
Nuremburg Trials or in our own day, the coming trial of Saddam Hussein.
God is not capricious is He? Yet indignaton against wickedness is
both human and Divine.

So it is with knowledge. Man must stop thinking of himself autonomous.
The current trend in theology to think of God as placing limits on his
knowing is root in man always preparing and requiring some little
corner of autonomy in his universe. The simple fact is that man is a
creature. He is finite. God is infinite and sovereign. To think of
Him limiting Himself some how plays against His immutability. To think
of Him limiting Himself in some way in actualality places man in
sovereign control, the Decree dependent not on the good pleasure of God
but on the contingency of the choices men make. I don't see any
evidence for such *reasoning* in the scriptures.

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matthew_member@newsguy.com wrote:

> In article <7D9817BE-A241-7502-2199-48931E5FE16D@srcbs.org>, ruth
> says...
>>
>>
>>Matthew Johnson wrote:



>>> Oh, let us never never doubt, what nobody is sure about!
>>
>>Is that a quote from someone else?
>
> Actually, that would be a good trivia question. Do you recognize the
> quote?

The same guy who said "I am opposed to women's voting as men vote.
I call it immoral, because I think the bringing of one's women, one's
mothers and sisters into the political arena, disturbs the relations
between the sexes."

Bart


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