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I think traditional (classical) theology is a little misguided, and that
throws us all off. However, your conclusions, while seeking to be
biblically-based and non-contradictory, have gone to the opposite
extreme (from Jesus being fully God to not being God at all).
Interestingly, all your arguments and biblical passages refer to Jesus
at or after His incarnation (except Prov. 8:22ff which may not be
relevant to the discussion at hand).
Significant changes took place in the Logos at His incarnation (John
1:14; Phil. 2:5-8) and at His resurrection (Mark 16:12; Acts 2:36; Rom.
14:9; Col. 1:18). The fact that Jesus is presented in the Bible (between
His incarnation and resurrection) as not being omnipresent, omnipotent,
or omniscient, should not be jumped over. These are essential
attributes for God being God. Simplistic conclusions (such as "that
was His human part") usually do not satisfy the divine revelation here
and often end up dividing the person of Christ in two.
What theology/Christology needs is to examine WHO IS JESUS? in at least
3 different stages: before His incarnation ("in the form of God" Phil.
2:6); in the period between His incarnation and resurrection ("in the
form of a servant" Phil. 2:7), and after His resurrection ("in another
form" Mark 16:12). [These are the only times the Greek word morphe
("form") is used in the NT]. These stages of the Logos's existence
have often been ignored or confused and have led to such confusing
doctrines as eternal generation, eternal Sonship, God dying, etc.


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Gary McNees wrote:

> Bob Felts wrote:
> > Gary McNees wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Bob Felts wrote:
> >>
> >>>Gary McNees wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>[wrf3]
> >>>>>>>>>If election is not based on human will or effort, then how can man be
> >>>>>>>>>said to be free in this respect?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>[gary]
> >>>>>>>>It is not BASED upon human will or effort.
> >>>>>>>>It is in ACCORD with God's foreknowledge.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>[wrf3]
> >>>>>>>So what did God forsee that determines who is and who isn't elect?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>[gary]
> >>>>>>God doesn't "foresee."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>[wrf3]
> >>>>>What knowledge did God use upon which to base His choices in election?
> >>>>