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Gary McNees wrote:

> Why o why do people like so much to contradict Scripture?
>
> Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto
> your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give
> good things to them that ask him?
>
> Gary

Have you read, "The plowing of the wicked is sin?" or "The sacrifice of the
wicked is an abomination?" Both of these are, in principle, good works; the
former feeds the family (fathers give their children bread) and the latter
constitutes worship. But both are decried as _evil_.

Gary, the point that is made in Scripture is that good deeds aren't good
unless the person who does them is regenerate. This is why our righteousness
is as filthy rags. It is not that we don't do things that are in principle
good--and I don't think any Calvinist you ever talk to would say
otherwise--but the simple fact that we are the ones who do them.

You seem to fixate on the work / faith instead of the actor, when it is the
latter that counts, not the former.


To avoid this, you must demonstrate from Scripture that every man has been
"fixed" in this regard, so that his flesh no longer poses the barrier that it
apparently did when such proverbs were written--and suddenly you are left
looking at works-based righteousness, _whether you count faith as a work or not_.


-Ethan

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In article <161.55.12.05.287540000@srcbs.org>, Paul Chapman says...
>

[snip]

> From these verses, the reward of the wicked will be everlasting
>destruction--a death from which there will be no resurrection.

No, it is NOT "from these verses". You have assumed far more than was in those
verses to reach this conclusion.

>
>What is death? As I said in my previous post, the Bible consistently
>puts forth the idea that death is a state of total unconsciousness--no
>thoughts, no device, no wisdom, no knowledge.

No, it is not consistent about this. Now it may _appear_ to be consistent about
this, if you rely entirely on the _majority_ of _Old Testament_ passages. But
then you still have the witch of Endor to contend with.

Not to mention the NT has the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, which parable
would lose all its effect if the listeners really believed as you do, that dath
is 'total unconsciousness'.


[snip]


>This is a good question about the thief on the cross. But remember in
>the original Greek there was no punctuation.

True, but this does not really help you. See below.

>In Luke 23:43,"And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day