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F Erbeznik:

> The Book of Job appears to be about:
>
> God not answering to man for anything,
>
> man not understanding the thoughts or actions of God,
>
> the complete and thorough supremacy of God,
>
> man is the servant of God.

I would add:

- severe limitations of a theology where the pious is always rewarded

- encounter with God does not answer the questions but changes the way
they are asked

The last point seems to be particularly important:

I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear,
but now my eye sees You. (Job 42:5; NKJV)

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"Bob Felts" wrote in message
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>> and in my opinion so was Jesus created before Gen.1:1 (Rev. 3:14)
>
> When I responded earlier, I mentioned that I didn't see how this verse
> supported this conclusion. But I was looking at it in the NIV and have
> now read it in several other versions as well as the Greek. It
> absolutely does not mean "the first created thing". It does mean "that
> which started God's creation."

Please give another Scriptural example where 'the beginning of' something
was not also part of that something. From the LXX or NT.

I have searched but not found any examples within the scriptures where
"arche" can be shown to clearly mean "cause" or "source".

When John and the other Bible writers wanted to say "ruler" they used the
word "archon". When they wanted to say "source", "cause" or "author" they
used "rhiza" or "aitios". It cannot be shown that they ever used "arche" in
the sense of "author" or "source".


> This is verified two different ways.
>
> First, John 1:3 says, "All things were made through him and without him
> not one thing came into being."

The word that some translate 'made' here is the Greek word 'ginomai'.

Ginomai occurs upwards of seven hundred times in the New Testament, but
never in the sense of create, yet in most versions at John chapter 1, it is
translated "made." Ginomai appears fifty three times in John, and signifies
"to be, to come, to become, to come to pass; also, to be done or
transacted."

Egeneto (a form of the word 'ginomai') NEVER carries a creation meaning and
is never translated such outside the four times rendered such in the first
chapter of John (John 1:3,4, & 10) where it is translated "made".

The NAB says in its footnote,

"What came to be". While the oldest man