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Bart Goddard wrote:
> lsenders@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >> How many times can you assert "P and not P" and think that
> >> anyone will swallow it? (Like I said, no one is fooled.)
> >>
> > If you would stop being argumentative long enough
>
> What on earth could _that_ mean? We're having an
> _argument_ so how can either one of us not be "argumentative"?
>
> This is another example of you throwing words together
> that sound nice to you, but they don't mean anything.

As I've already pointed out, do not place your mindset on me. I am not
being argumentative. I was discussing. Obviously there is a
difference of option, but I'm not arguing. It is a dispositional
thing. Apparently you no better understand that distinction than that
which I have been trying to discuss with you.

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I have asked the advocates of free-will to provide a short definition.
All I have received, so far, are a couple of webpage references. But
to fair, I asked knowing that no one would or could provide such a
thing. Nevertheless, probably unbeknownest to these advocates, they
have, over time, in posts far too numerous to site, expressed just what
it is that they mean by advocating that men have "free-will." I care
not to here list names with respected quotes, a project beyond my
desire or power, yet I will summarize what has been stated.

First, I have yet to read anyone advocating absolute free-will. To do
so, one would preclude "My ways are not your ways" of Divinity.
Therefore, free-will must, of a necessity, be relative. That men are
creatures, they are not self-sufficient. In that they are not
self-sufficient, they are by necessity, derivative. In that they are
derivative, they are not free, for only God is free.

Second, because of the necessitated exception of the first point,
"free-will" requires some outside empowerment. Outside of the
Reformed school of theology, largely this is provided for through some
measure of form of teaching of "infused righteousness," i.e. a grace
of enablement given by God. This also involves, in reference to
salvation, earned merit. However, outside of this gift, "free-will"
is only free to act in a bad way. If it were otherwise, then the gift
of God becomes superfluous. Yet both history and personal experience
evidences the fact that grace is a prerequisite for the enablement of
freely acting in a good way.

So. . . what are we left with? We are left with man, who has
free-will, which if left to himself can only act in an ungodly manner.
However, if man, who has free-will, is to act in a godly manner, he
can only do so after help has been granted. Theologically, this means
that man cannot