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So why does salvation work differently for adults (in your system) than
it does for infants? Why does God choose all infants, but not all
adults?

Gary
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What about this answer.

The infants born in the state of the original Sin a collective
responsibility, which received Salvation by the death and Resurrection
of Christ for everybody before and after that, unlike the adults they
did not made any obstacle for the salvation by personal sins. The
Passion before the death was necessary due to the personal sins, and the
Grace from that saves many but not all: this is personal responsibility
so requires personal cooperation.

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>
> Gary McNees wrote:
> > Two Calvinists, Bob and Loren, and one Lutheran, Bart, on this list
> > have asserted that I do not understand Calvinism. They further assert
that I
> > misrepresent Calvinism, and malign Calvinism unjustly.
> >
> Whaaaaa! Whaaaa! Whaaaaaa!
> >
> > Norman Geisler entitled "Chosen But Free."
> >
> By his own admission he clearly stands on the side of moderate
> Calvinism.

Every definition of TULIP is different for Geisler's moderate "Calvinism."
I have read a number of Calvinist authors who claim that Geisler is no
Calvinist at all. (See White's book, "The Potter's Freedom" which is
supposed to refute Geisler's book "Chosen But Free," but is a miserable
failure. I agree with the "TULIP" doctrines as defined by Geisler, but
not a single one of them is the definition given by a Calivinist.

> Some of the subjects he discusses in the appendixes are
> these: Was Calvin a Calvinist? The Origins of Extreme Calvinism; Is
> Faith a Gift Only to the Elect? Double Predestination; Is Regeneration
> Prior to Faith. I do not deny the fact that Chosen but Free is by far
> the best presentation of the moderate Calvinist viewpoint in print.
> Nor would I seek to pursuade any one away from reading it. Quite the
> opposite.

Well, if you believe what Geisler said in "Choen But Free," then no
Calvinist that I know would have you. What Geisler presented is the
truth, and is quite the opposite of what is presented by Calvinism.

> Simply put, Geisler proposes that man is free but that God is
> sovereign. Geisler down-plays many of the tenets of the Calvinist view.
> While holding