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Bart Goddard wrote:
> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
>
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>>God enables the unregenerate man to believe.
>
>
> I'm wondering whether you realize that "enabling" is a
> bad thing. You probably mean "empowering".
I don't care too much about political correctness.
I used the term, "enable" because Calvinists always
use the term "unable."
And Christ said that no one is able to come unless
God draws him.
>>We are saved when when we believe, "He that believeth on
>>the Son hath everlasting life:"
>
>
> I (and others) keep asking this question, and you don't
> answer it. Here, you make a claim, and then you cite
> a verse which doesn't say anything like what you claimed.
Uh? To dense I guess.
> "She that hath a "+" on her home pregnancy test hath
> a child in her belly." From this you would conclude:
> A. The pregnancy test caused her pregnancy and B.
> She wasn't pregnant until she took the test.
>
> The central issue here is cause. Believing doesn't
> cause salvation. Jesus causes salvation.
Keep it up. God was asked "what shall I do to be saved?"
God's answer is, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ."
You and Bob can argue till you are blue in the face,
and I will continue to believe Christ, and not either
of you.
John 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of
God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest
have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
This verse must be re-written for your theology to be true.
IT fits perfectly with what I believe, but not with what you
believe.
Here we have the LORD Jesus Saying, "if you ask me --
then I will give!"
How does this fit into your theology?
Wouldn't it need to be written kinda like this?
John 4:10 "Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift
of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou
wouldest have have already had salvation, and he would have already
given thee living water." [Calvinist/Bart's version???]
>>>>>>>The issue is whether _the having_ of faith is a work.
>>>>>>>(And it is. It is exactly obedience to the 1st Commandment.)
>>
>>Amazing, going against both Luther AND Calvin!
>
>
> No. This is what Luther taught.
OK, your the Luther expert. Calvin taught that saving faith
meant the one was sure of his salvation.
>>Of course! God teaches and I learned.
>>God draws and I was drawn.
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>
> And now you have something to boast about. You chose
> rightly, whereas