Stream_Haze@yahoo.com wrote...
>
> "entropy" wrote in message
> > Stream_Haze@yahoo.com wrote...
> >> "entropy" wrote in message
> >> >
> >> > How is 'works' supposed to be defined?
> >> >
> >> > Is it 'actions' -- so as to say that faith without actions consistent
> >> > with that faith is useless? Such as a thief who continues to steal
> >> > after acquiring faith, rather than giving up stealing and earning an
> >> > honest living?
> >> >
> >> > Or, that we're supposed to be out building churches and converting
> >> > pagans and so on?
> >>
> >> Works should be defined as "works of faith".
> >
> > Could you define 'works' without using 'works' in the definition?
>
> Fruits of the Spirit.
>
> >> Genuine saving faith produces good works.
> >
> > Such as...???
>
> You don't know what good works are ???



I know what I think they are. I asked what you think they are.

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"Gary" writes:

>If people believe Scripture they are saved from all sorts of error.

And yet, they make all kinds of errors, especially with regard to
theology, as they do not rightly interpret the Scriptures.

>Further, as Christ said,
>John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote
>of me.
>
>Thus we see that a believing of the Bible in general has some relationship
>to believing in Christ and what He said.

And before the Scriptures were written and collected???

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<<
Dale@gpsinformation.het

the only difference in what we believe is that God knew this outcome
before the world began. It did not take him by surprise.
>>

In my world God is above the time, such categories as "before" or "being
surprised" are not applicable to Him. Our way of thinking is subjected
to these categories, but through the abstraction we can get some
partially transparent view of God's world w/o the categories.

The difference is the logical order:

(1) God wanted the Incarnation, shameful death and Resurrection of
Jesus Christ primarily and w/o any regard of the human free will

or

(2