"Bob Felts" wrote in message
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> Matthew Johnson wrote:
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> > In article <153.21.08.05.256213000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts says...
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> > >Gary McNees wrote:
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> > >> "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> > >> news:151.59.14.05.918582000@srcbs.org...
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> > >> > Gary McNees wrote:
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> > >> > > For the Calvinist god certainly does not only speak lies, but
acts
> > >> > > unjustly.
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> > >> > Who says?
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> > >> God and me.
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> > >Where does God say that what you happen to think is unjust is unjust?
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> > Gary has already answered this question. In fact, he has answered it
_so_
> > many times, I dread the thought of looking it up again in Google. You do
> > it -- if you really can't remember.
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> Google won't help if the answers are like the non-answer you give below.
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> > Briefly, the answer is Mt 5:45-48.
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> Gary seems to think that creating vessels of wrath devoted to
> destruction is unjust. How in the world does this say that this is
> actually unjust?

I can't find any passage which states that God created vessels of wrath.
The closest is:
Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power
known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to
destruction:

But this doesn't say what you would like it to say. First one does not
endure with much longsuffering that which he designs! (At least God
doesn't.) Next, these "vessels of wrath" fitted themselves for destruction,
as, I believe, Matthew pointed out using the Greek text. Why are you not
willing to see that God says the He "endures," these vessels? God does not
make man sin, and then punish him for doing so.

This is explicitly stated in the case of Joseph's brothers where God says He
meant it for GOOD, but they for evil.

Genesis 50:20 You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to
accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives.

Thus when God used Joseph's wicked brothers He did not cause them to sin. He
permitted them to sin, with the intent of doing good. We should NEVER
attribute any moral evil or even temptation to do moral evil to God, for He
tempteth no man.

Gary






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