gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:

>> Don't mix up what I say. I said God is trans-temporal, and when
>> we are in eternity with Him, we will also be outside of time.
>
> Bart, would you care to provide any Scriptural evidence for this?

I have. Jesus told the thief "today", and he also said the dead
sleep until Judgement day. The thief is clearly outside of time
after his death.


> I believe that time is a measure of change.


Does that mean that when things are changing quickly, then
time is moving at a different rate? If not, it's not a very
good measure.

Bart

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"Bob Felts" wrote in message
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>
> Gary McNees wrote:
>
> > "Bart Goddard" wrote in message
> > news:153.23.08.05.122259000@srcbs.org...
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > Calvinists claim that man is not saved "against his will."
> > > > But the procedure of God regenerating them without
> > > > their will is like putting one to sleep,
> > >
> > > No, it's just the opposite. It's like waking someone
> > > up. They have expressed no will to either remain asleep
> > > nor to wake. They're _asleep_; they don't have a will.
> > > God wakes them up, just like He called Lazarus out of
> > > the tomb.
> >
> > Nonsense.
> >
>
> That's a resounding rebuttal -- and it accurately describes that which
> has happened to so many of us. Read C. S. Lewis if you don't believe me
> or Bart. Do you have anything other scoffing to back up your objection?

Yes. All of scripture teaches that salvation and life from God comes
THROUGH faith. NEVER does scriptrue teach what your heresy
teaches that faith comes through salvation!
John5:25,40; 6:53; 12:36; 20:31; Acts11:18; Rom. 3:25; 10:9-10 [c.f.
Eph.4:24];
Col.2:12.
Your doctrine is not just unscriptural but is ANTI - Scriptural and ANTI
God.

> > > >> I find it appalling that you say such wicked things about people
> > > >> without exerting even the smallest effort to understand what
> > > >> they believe, but instead make up some other things to put
> > > >> into their mouths so that you can pretend you are clever when
> > > >> you rebut them.
> > > >
> > > > You should talk! You do much worse.
> > >
> > > When? I don't misrepresent your position.
> >
> > You do incessantly.
> >
>
> No, he doesn't, Gary. I've