Alaska Association of Harbormasters and Port Administrators (AAHPA)

A not for profit corporation incorporated under the laws of the State of Alaska. Membership is open to ports, harbors, marinas and related maritime interests.

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A not for profit corporation incorporated under the laws of the State of Alaska. Membership is open to ports, harbors, marinas and related maritime interests.

Alaska Rotaract Directory

Rotaract clubs in Alaska complete with links and emails chapters.

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Rotaract clubs in Alaska complete with links and emails chapters.

Alaskan Apple Users Group

Includes meeting schedule, available resources, newsletter, membership information, and workshop schedule.

Alaskan Apple Users Group

Includes meeting schedule, available resources, newsletter, membership information, and workshop schedule.

Alaskan Apple Users Group

Includes meeting schedule, available resources, newsletter, membership information, and workshop schedule.

Alaskan Apple Users Group

Includes meeting schedule, available resources, newsletter, membership information, and workshop schedule.

American Legion Susitna Valley Post 35

Information on our Post Home and the activities of the American Legion, Aux and SAL. 2001-2002 Officers, Veterans contact numbers and links.

American Legion Susitna Valley Post 35

Information on our Post Home and the activities of the American Legion, Aux and SAL. 2001-2002 Officers, Veterans contact numbers and links.

"Bob Felts" wrote in message
news:156.02.22.05.638657000@srcbs.org...
>
>
> Matthew Johnson wrote:
>
> > In article <151.59.14.05.918582000@srcbs.org>, Bob Felts
says...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Gary McNees wrote:
> > >
> > >> For the Calvinist god certainly does not only speak
lies, but acts
> > >> unjustly.
> > >
> > >Who says?
> >
> > God's own prophet does. Recall:
> >
> > Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked,
> > says the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should
> > turn from his way and live? (Eze 18:23 RSVA)
> >
> > But the "Calvinist God" actually _makes_ the wicked
wicked, and therefore
> > causes his death. But since God has no pleasure in this,
this cannot be
> > just.
> >
> >
>
> Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the
same lump one
> object for special use and another for ordinary use? What
if God,
> desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power,
has endured with
> much patience the objects of wrath that are made for
destruction... [Rom
> 9:21-22]
>
> Since the answer to this is "yes", you're going to have to
fit your
> interpretation of Ezekiel to match with the rest of
Scripture. God is
> not as "simple" as you make Him out to be.

On the contrary, Bob, it is you who need to make your
understanding of Rom 9 fit with the rest of Scripture. For
there are a multitude of passages which support Matthew and
my understanding and none that really support your. WHEN O
WHEN are you going to go back to the OT passage (Jer. 18)
and actually let God improve your understanding of what the
metaphor of the potter and clay actually means.

You remind me so much of the JW who reads:
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me
good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou
wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

and comes away with the understanding that Jesus is here
denying that He is God, and also a misunderstanding that
salvation comes by keeping the commandments of the law.

Since many have pointed out to you previously the correct
interpretation of Rom. 9 I will not do so yet again.

Let me just say to you and Bart and Loren that I believe
that free will and God's knowledge are perfectly compatible.
All of the future is certain, and fixed.

The difference in our understanding is that I believe that
the person who fixed our decisions is us. Thomas Aquinas has
written very carefully