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kent@ccountry.net wrote:


>> I've made a clear point here. Scripture says that faith
>> is our conviction of things we haven't seen. The
>> contrapositive to that statement is "Conviction of
>> things seen is not faith." It's very simple logic.
>>
>
> Your point is ill conceived at best; at worst it is deliberate.
>
> A)
> "Scripture says..." is your first error, inasmuch as you do
> not provide any, much less all Scripture that describe
> and/or define faith.

Since I provided Heb. 11:1, which says "faith is...",
your point A is amply refuted.


> B)
> "...that faith is our conviction of things we haven't seen."
> is not what Scripture states. You've replaced "_the_
> conviction" of Heb. 11:1 with "_our_ conviction" and
> appended the word _we_. You've broken Scripture and
> added your own jot and tittle.

No more than you have, by replacing Greek with English.
If you want to quibble about translations, then argue
with someone who cares. My German Bible says

"Es ist aber der Glaube eine gewisse Zuversicht
des, das man hofft, und ein Nichtzweifeln an dem,
das man nicht sieht."

Which clears things up nicely.


C)
> "The contrapositive to that statement is
> 'Conviction of things seen is not faith.' "
>
> Your point is clearly false. I seriously doubt you would
> recognize a contrapositive if it bit you in your aspect.
>
> The contrapositive to your statement would be,
> "Conviction of things we have seen is not our faith."

Since I teach logic at university, my advice to you
is not to try to beat me at my own game. It's funny
that the contrapositive to the exact statement in YOUR
translation is what I give, and, after you quibble about
the "we", you try to reject this argument on the basis
that it has "we" in it.

The plain fact is, the contrapositive of the statement
in Hebrews completely refutes your assertion. "Conviction of
things seen is not faith". (So it's no surprise that you
try to divert from the point.)




> D)
> "It's very simple logic."
> And you've chosen to end with yet another falsity.
> You've posted no logic, simple or otherwise.

Since I gave a contrapositive, no sensible person
could say there was no logic in my post. If you
can't address the point, then either cede it or
be quiet.




>> Since your only responses to my argument have been
>> to capriciously blurt "Drivel" and "this stuff" and "you
>> have a penchant", then it should be clear to all that
>> you have no answer to my point.
>>
>