adamst@no.spam wrote:


>>> If you claim to trust the Scriptures, then you must put your trust
>>> in those who wrote them much later, those who preserved and copied
>>> those writings, and those who compiled the canon.
>>
>>No, one puts one's trust in the Holy Spirit, who actively
>>guides and supports His church. The Scriptures are His
>>unique gift to the church.
>
> Yes, and they cannot be understood outside that context....they
> can never be "alone"...

In the phrases "Scripture alone", "Faith alone", and "Grace
alone", "alone" means "only".

Scripture is the only rule and norm for faith.
Faith is the only vehicle for grace.
Grace is the only means of salvaion.

Bart

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Indeed I quoted from the KJV without the italics, for the italics are
just the words of men which is why they are written this way, so that a
distinction would be made between the word of God and those words which
were added by men. Job here knew that he would not remain in the grave,
or hell, when he died, but that he would be able to look upon God in
his flesh, and this could not be possible in this life, for as it is
written in Exodus 33:20 "And he said, Thou canst not see my face:
for there shall no man see me, and live."

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gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:

>>>>If you put a man in a room alone with the Bible and a
>>>>candle, the only thing that can come out of the room
>>>>is a heretic.
>>>
>>>This I deny.
>
> What "church?" You claim that the "true" church is
> the Lutheran. Matthew claims it is the Orthodox.
> Just about anyone can claim that "their" church
> is the only real or correct church.

When did I claim the "true church is Lutheran"? Here,
(in the part you snipped) I'm using he word "church" as
in the New Testament. E.g., as in

Eph 3:9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of
this mystery,which for ages past was kept hidden in God,
who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through
the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known
to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms,
11 according to his eternal purpose which he accomplished
in Christ Jesus our Lord.

It is through _the church_ that the Gospel is made known.
The ethiopian couldn't understand what he was reading until
the pastor showed him.

> Since Luther isolated himself from the Roman Church.

Bad history. Luther didn't isolate himself. He was a mon