matthew_member@newsguy.com wrote:

>> Here he's saying
>>that I say "God caused me to sin". I've never said
>>anything like that.
>
> Yes, you have. And yet you keep denying the consequence of your own
> words.

If I had, you'd be able to cite it. And if I "keep" denying it,
you'd be able to cite it multiply. But you can't. It just
another of your childish attempt to move the discussion off
of the topic and into your favorite pasttime: slander.

Bart

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destiny wrote:



> You won't want to miss a simgle segment of this webcast stream, as it
> has absolutley VITAL information for your very survival!


I think you have gone a bit overboard. You sound like one of those
fellows on TV who demonstrates some gadget and tells us, "This is
something you MUST have! Order now!"

Why don't you calm down and write a nice short little paragraph in your
own words that gives us an abstract of that "absolutely VITAL
information".




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Bob Felts wrote:

Ok. But before I do, I like to lay the groundwork for the debate.
| Part of the groundwork is the proper definition of terms, so that we
| both agree on what we are arguing about. What is the difference, in
| your mind, between "the trinity" (as found in, say, the early Church
| fathers) and "the modern trinity"?

Hmmm...I never saw this. I use "Google Groups" and I seem to miss a lot
of replies and some of my posts are hard to follow- with no change in
ink between my posts and another's posts. Anyway, to answer your
querie.

the modern trinity most commonly argued to me states that there are
three persons but one God. The Father is God, Son is God and the Holy
Spirit is a person and God. 1 + 1+ 1= 1. All three are wholly God but
three separate beings.

Three persons but only one God. They are co-eternal (uncreated) and
co-equal.

The "trinity"- that the early church fathers believed in was that the
Father, Son and Holy Spirit were "one" in unity and purpose, but not
co-eternal or co-equal. Not that different than what was written at
Matt. 28:19.

For some felt Jesus was created. Some didn't believe the Holy Spirit to
be a person. When they called Jesus "God the Son" they did not
understand it to mean co-equal with the Father. The father was always
superior