matthew_member@newsguy.com wrote:


> I'm still waiting, Bart, for an explanation of why you think you can
> claim that you are not a Predestinarian.

I'm not the accuser here. If you think I'm a "predestinarian"
then it's up to you to justify it. But you comprehend so
little of my doctrine and belief, you have little hope of
succeeding.


Bart


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On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:07:22 +0000 (UTC), Bart Goddard
wrote:

>bible@alwaysreadit.com wrote:
>
>> It's not going to be long before the Lord returns. Without salvation
>> the only place to go after death is hell. Being good is not enough or
>> doing many good things.
>
>And then wrote:
>
>> Live your life according to His Word, and you can be
>> assured of eternal life and heaven.
>
>Thereby contradicting himself. So which is it? Do good
>works save or not?
>
>Bart
>

Gotta get past the question of whether or not you'll work, to whom you
will work for. If it's Christ, the actual Son of God with God, then
it should mean much to you. But it will mean something else if it's
just a doctrinal arguement subject to one's own definition. Then one
might wonder if such a love is sufficient to be chosen, that God would
reveal Himself.

As for the latter question, it was stated (in John 15, I believe) that
fruitless branches _on_ the vine would be cut off, with their end to
be burned. If someone said something else contradictory I wouldn't
necessarily believe them, regardless of how impressive they made their
statement. It just makes no sense at all to argue against works.
Christ did not, of course. Start there first, then sift out the rest.
--
Mike


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Bart Goddard wrote:

> wrf3@stablecross.com wrote:
>
>
> > So now we have to believe in the DoIT to be saved?
>
> Where do you get that?
>

You claim that the statement "you are the Messiah the Son of the Living
God" requires that one believe in the DoT to be saved. Otherwise, one
"doesn't know Mom".

But the phrase "Son of God" does not necessarily imply diety. When I
asked you if it did, you gave me an answer that I couldn't make sense of
in the current discussion. So I asked if now we also have to believe in
the diety of Israel to be saved, insofar as Israel is a type of Christ,