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Ludwig77 wrote:
> lsenders@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Ludwig77 wrote:
> > > As a Christian, I used to see truth as being independent of experience.
> >
> > I think you are wrong in
> > possiting the question as if assuming it is already a forgone
> > conclusion that this is truely an either/or situation. Why is it wrong
> > to view this as a both/an situation?
>
> Are you suggesting that some truths are independent of experience that
> might otherwise contradict them and other truths are validated via
> experience?
>
Fundamentally, a "truth" is absolute. Nothing man nor the universe can
put forth is transcendentally absolute. True truth only finds its
source in God alone. Has God fully revealed Himself. No, I don't know
any one who believes that. However, experience can be falsified, can
it not? Therefore experience is not as sure as, "Thus saith the Lord."
Peter in the first chapter of his first epistle sets aside his Mt. of
Transfiguration experience in leu of the more sure prophecy ("forth
telling") of the Word.
>
> > Perhaps you are arguing from a pure theological pretext, in that God
> > prevents all experience. (pre- as in prior to)
>
> I don't understand this statement. What do you mean by God preventing
> all experience? Clearly God allows experience otherwise it wouldn't
> exist.

What did I place in the parentheses? Pre-vent as in Ad-vent.
>
> > In that regard, Truth
> > is independent of experience for Truth (but then you didn't not
> > capitalize "truth" so as to formally assert its meaning)
>
> ....
>
> I don't understand what you mean by TRUTH as opposed to truth.
>
Truth is and attribute of God. "truth" on the other hand is only that
which man declares is true. Two different reference points of
verification. Certainly man can declare as truth which is a true fact.
However, nothing man does determines Truth. Truth is self determined
in God.
>
> I only know of one truth, that which is opposed to falsehood..... This
> is theological and philosophical.
>
Like good vs evil, falsehood, like evil, cannot pre-exist or stand
alone. It always requires Truth to already exist. Truth can exist
without falsehood. Falsehood cannot exist without Truth.
>
> I do recognize that existentialism speaks of a truth that is relative
> to personal experience and that personal experiences can vary enough
> for contradictory experiences to validate contradictory truths. This is
> what I'm refuting. I'm suggesting that truth is validated through
> experience (which existentialism confirms) but also asserting the
> universality of experience (thus the universality of truth).

As I have often used as an illustration, murder. We can agree that
murder is wrong, right? We can agree that every