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In article <151.00.15.05.468374000@srcbs.org>, Bart Goddard says...
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>matthew_member@newsguy.com wrote:
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>>>>>How God treats the pots depends upon how they behave.
>>>>
>>>> Gary, you had him at his weak point and you MISSED the chance! You
>>>> missed the chance to point out that the pots prepared for glory were
>>>> prepared for glory by God, but the posts prepared for destruction
>>>> were prepared for it BY THEMSELVES.
>>>
>>>So Gary says that God treats people depending on how they
>>>behave,
>>
>> That sounds tolerably close to what he says, but not exactly.
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>Learn to read, Matthew.

You are the one who needs to learn to read. For you missed the
difference.

> Look at Gary's sentence above and then look at what I say he says.
>The only difference is that I used "people" instead of "pots", which
>is hardly a substantive difference.

I did look. And no, that is not the only difference. Nor should you be
so confident that it is not 'substantive'.

> It's not just "tolerably" close
>to what he says, it was, in fact, exactly what he says.

Now you even contradict yourself. For one moment, you admit that there
is a difference, and now you deny even that, claiming it is "exactly
what he says".

So it is you, not I who needs to learn to read. And you should apply
this knowledge to your own post before you click 'send'.

>>> That
>>>is Contradiction One.
>>
>> You should be ashamed of yourself, Bart. Far better logicians than you
>> have insisted on _exactly_ this position, and knew there was no
>> contradiction here. If you really believe you are such a superior
>> logician, greater even than Sts. John of Damascus and Maximus the
>> Confessor (who held exactly this position), then show us using
>> symbolic logic exactly where the logical contradiction lies.
>
>(We'll set aside the fact that on one hand you claimed there
>were logicians who held this point, and then on the other hand
>you didn't cite any logicians, but rather some theologians whom
>you happen to think agree with you.)

If you weren't such a shocking ignoramus, Bart, you would know that
EACH of the theologians I cited had an excellent training in logic. In
their day, no one could reach their positions in society without
learning the logic material of Aristotle's Organum thoroughly.

So your objection is without merit. Completely so.

>The symbolic logic is pretty easy.

So you say. But then why did you flub it up?

>P and (not P) is a contradiction.

Yes...

>Gary has made the statement P above "There exists some works which
>merit salvation".

Where did he say this? It doesn't show up in that post. It doesn't
even show up in a Google search -- excep