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In article <07DD6C6C-8DBE-37B2-91A1-17FFE1E68EDB@srcbs.org>,
lsenders@hotmail.com says...
>
>Gary wrote:
>d first and as a
>> RESULT then put our faith in Christ.
>>
>> What have you? A "regenerate" person who has no faith, and hence,
>> no Christ, and no justification.
>>
>> This is what happens when you refuse to follow Scripture and
>> maintain that faith follows regeneration!
>>
>Apparently you are also unschooled in the doctrine of grace.

Apparently it is you who are really unschooled. For only the unschooled think
they can persuade anyone by starting out a reply with such an arrogant retort as
"Apparently you are also unschooled in the doctrine of grace."

Such a ghastly reply can have NOTHING in common with grace -- any ANY sense of
this word.


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Subducat se sibi ut haereat Deo
quidquid boni habet, tribuat illi a quo factus est.
(St. Augustine, Ser. 96)


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"Bart Goddard" wrote in message
news:CC35F14B-3B9C-E5D4-7C9F-DB29AD841D5E@srcbs.org...
> gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > Bart, perhaps instead of "free will," or "robot" we
should
> > use self-determination?
>
> You and Matthew can battle it out over semantics and
terminology.
> My continuing point is: no matter what you call it, you
can't
> have it precede grace. If it's called
"self-determination",
> you still can't save yourself (or activate God's grace) by
> exercise of "self-determination".

I would never think that it would.

Did you seem my post which contained:

"There is no cooperation possible. The nature of the work of
regeneration forbids any possible human assistance. As a
child in natural birth is conceived and born without any
volition on his part, so the child of God receives the new
birth apart from any volition on his part. In the new birth,
of course, the human will is not opposed to regeneration and
wills by divine grace to believe, but this act itself does
not produce new birth." p. 118. ST vol VI.

"The important truth to be observed in all of this is that,
though the divine persuasion be limitless, it still remains
persuasion, and so when a decision is secured for Christ, in
the individual he exercises his own will apart form even the
shadow of constraint. The divine invitation still is true
that "whosoever will may come." Chafer, ST, vol. VII, p.
136.

Gary