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> Gary wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > > Norman Geisler entitled "Chosen But Free."
> > > >
> > > By his own admission he clearly stands on the side of moderate
> > > Calvinism.
> >
> > Loren, other Calvinists I know who are familiar with Geisler's work,
> > do not accept his "moderate Calvinism" as being any kind of Calvinism.
> >
> I suggest you read the book reviews in Cavinistic theological journals
> (plural) for a more informed opinion.

In White's book, "The Potter's Freedom," he quotes many
leading reformed theologians who dismiss Geisler as an
Arminian who believes in eternal security.

Care to post some of these reviews? I'd be interested in
seeing them, realy! I would think highly of any Calvinist
who agrees with Geisler.

> > > Some of the subjects he discusses in the appendixes are
> > > these: Was Calvin a Calvinist? The Origins of Extreme Calvinism; Is
> > > Faith a Gift Only to the Elect? Double Predestination; Is Regeneration
> > > Prior to Faith.
> >
> > Geisler gives his moderate "five points," and every one of them, except
> >
erhaps the last, would, I think be accepted by Matthew and Steve!
> >
> What, that regeneration occurs prior to faith? I doubt they accept the
> last 3, but will let them speak for themselves.

I'm sorry, Loren, but either you have not read Geisler's book,
or misunderstand it. Geisler devotes an entire chapter proving
from Scripture that regeneration FOLLOWS faith!

> > That is how far away they are from the five points of TULIP as taught
> > by real "Calvinism."
> >
> > Here is a list of them as given by Geisler:
> >
> > T- Total depravity is amply supported by Scripture in the moderate
Calvinist
> > sense. All the Scriptures used by extreme Calvinists are accepted by
moder
> > Calvinists; the only difference is that moderates insist that being
"dead"
> > in sin does not mean that unsaved people cannot understand and RECIEVE
the
> > truth of the gospel as the Spirit of God works on their hearts. That is,
it
> > does not in effect erase the image of God (but only effaces it.) [Man
can
> > and often does resist this working of God on their hearts.]
> >
> Here is where you illustrate a failure to correctly represent main
> stream Calvinism. I would suggest you read VanTil's account or
> Warfield's or Bruce's works. I would also suggest you read the
> commentary of the writers of the WCF.

I have all of VanTil's works. I have also have two sets of
Warfield's works. Both teach clearly the central point of
Calvinism that regeneration precedes faith! Th