Matthew Johnson wrote:

>You do not understand this verse. He is talking about the >_INCARNATE_ Christ
>here. As Incarnate, of course He is part of creation. But as God, He still
>remains other than Creation.

No Matthew. First of all, relying on the "incarnate" exegesis is all
too typical. The being that is "Christ" was "created" long before his
appearance on earth. Jesus of Nazareth was not "created" at birth via
Mary.

Col. 1:15, as you admit, places Christ as part of creation. Rev. 3:14
bolsters that fact. John 6:57 is another piece to the puzzle and Prov.
8:22-30 (when properly understood) closes the deal.

> Paul does not mean to assert that Christ
>created himself, and he of course did not create God; rather he is the agent
>of creating everything else.

>No. Paul never says this.

not in those exact words but he *does* say it when he says "through
Jesus" at 1 Cor. 8:6 or "by means of him" at Col. 1:16 and John says
the same at John 1:3. Bolstered by his being the "master worker" at
Prov. 8:30 and of course the famous "let us make man in our image" at
Gen. 1:26.

Jehovah is the Creator..he created Jesus first and everything else was
created through Jesus. THAT is what the Bible says. It is also
supported by logic, common sense and reasoning.

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