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> basicallyblues wrote:
> > >Note that the Nicene Creed says that if a person doesn't "hold
> > >this doctrine", he will be condemned.
> >
> > The Nicene Creed is not Scripture and the bishops that took part were
> > not "inspired of God" like the Bible writers were (2 Tim. 3:16)
> >
> > >If one denies the deity of Jesus, he is denying that God saves
> > >and that God is love
> >
> > huh? Where do you get that?
> >
> > John 3:16)
>
> Your "god" has no basis for "love." Love require interpersonal
> relationships.

Does it? Does the Scripture not say that we are to love ourselves?
Love of self, while personal, doesn't seem to me to fit the definition
of interpersonal.

If this is true, then the same can be said of a monolithic god. Right?

> That your god is a singularity, he had no one to love

Except Himself.

[...]

>
> When will refute this actuality insted of just posting more
> unsupportable jibberish?

Guys, I don't like playing devil's advocate (well, actually, there are
times I do), and I certainly don't like giving "aid and comfort" to the
Arians -- but IMO we have to do better than this.

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"Matthew Johnson" wrote in message
news:C7F05F4B-9079-CB79-12DE-B3F07C658F96@srcbs.org...
> In article , Gary says...
> >
> >
> >"Stephen M. Adams" wrote in message
> >news:180.19.13.05.754040000@srcbs.org...
>
> >> Except that the Scripture itself says that the *oral* teachings are
> >> not only valid, but gives them primacy AND insists that they be passed
> >> on. THAT is what Holy Tradition is (in brief, anyway).
> >>
> >
> >The dawn has come!
> >
> >What Matthew and Steve are saying is that ORAL teachings are
> >primary [they have the PRIMACY], (by them only can the
> >written Scripture be understood correctly), and further
> >(what just dawned on me) is that this ORAL
> >teaching (only by which a correct understanding of the rest of
> >Scripture is possible) are the "Holy Tradition" which is found ONLY
> >in the Orthodox Church!
>
> I think Steve was getting a little carried away by the rhetoric in the
thread
> and compressed his thought too briefly. But of course, he will have to
speak for
> himself.
>
> But what I do distinctly remember Bishop Kallistos Ware saying (somewhere
in one
> of his books, I can't remember which) is that Holy Tradition is BOTH
written AND
> oral. And this is only to be expected, s