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dnatree wrote:
> I see that those that demand adherance to scripture also never speak of
> what the spirit has given them. I intend through the spirit that this
> veil be lifted at this time so that the spirit can be made manifest and
> those merely hiding behind religion or some other ideology, they did
> not get from spirit, will therefore have nowhere left to hide.Amen
In reading the Gospel of Mark, I get the impression that some spirits
are not clean. Some are not even good for pigs. Some even make people
talk crazy.
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lsenders@hotmail.com wrote:
> Gary McNees wrote:
>
>>lsenders@hotmail.com wrote:
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>>>No, I do not deny free will.
>>
>>Calvin and Luther did. Most Calvinists do.
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>>>I deny choice.
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>>By the will one chooses, after he deliberates. So if the will must
>>choose a single thing, it is not free. So, you deny free will.
>>
>
> No. And again I point out, you are not correctly stating the Reformed
> position. Freewill and choice are not the same thing. Yes, choice
> extends out of the will, but only originally. After the fall, all
> choices had but a singular goal, to satisfy self. In Rom 2 Paul
> reveals that the religious man, as well as the pagan (Rom 1) seeks to
> garment himself from a self interested orientation even as Adam and Eve
> did in the garden immediately after they recognize their nakedness.
> That act of covering themselves is representative of all men's
> religions. This is why I stress the point that Christianity is not a
> religion. Religion is based upon men seeking to cover themselves, in
> some selfish way, to present themselves presentable to God. But this
> is not the Biblical revelation of grace. Grace has God coming into the
> garden seeking them. God shedding the blood and making skins for them.
> The only aspect of salvation which man plays an active, willful roll
> in, is performing the sin which necessitates it.
>
>>>Choice is never
>>>between Godly good and evil except in the case of the regenerate
>
> man.
>
>>I agree, except
>
>
> You cannot agree and remain consistent to your position.
>
>
>>that God purposely makes the unregenerate man able to
>>Believe in Christ.
>>
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>>>Only he has this. All men have free will. It is part of having
>
> the
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>>>image of God within us.
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>>What does free will mean when there are no choices?
>>
>
> Man **originally** had free will. But because the wil