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gkmcnees@comcast.net wrote:

> "Al Smith" wrote in message
> news:3E4DB432-8974-A547-3434-0D0038041906@srcbs.org...

>> Predestination did not have the advantage of Chaos Theory. The
>> behavior of chaotic systems cannot be predicted by any mind, no
>> matter how powerful. Not even by the mind of God. I put it to you
>> that the human race is a chaotic system
>
> I don't see any advantage of Chaos Theory. It is just
> Chaotic! And absurd to boot.

It's pretty clear that neither of you know what you're
talking about. "Chaos Theory" refers to a mathematical
"chaos", which is very different from the usual meaning
of the word "chaos." Mathematical chaotic systems only
appear to be chaotic, but their behavior can be quite
predictable.

And I sure wonder where Al got the axiom that no mind can
predict the behavior of chaotic systems. If that were true,
we wouldn't be able to generate pictures of fractals with
our computers.

Bart


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"Bob Felts" wrote in message
news:96CA7083-00F2-CEA8-8EEF-753A42BE06FA@srcbs.org...
> Gary wrote:
>
> > "Bob Felts" wrote in message
> > news:7449D804-014F-526C-3DC3-6817D93729E2@srcbs.org...
> > > Matthew Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure I did. If your salvation is contingent on you
having belief then
> > > it is a positive quality (otherwise, why would God
save you?) and is a
> > > sure sign of salvation by works.
> >
> > No it is not. God says that faith is not works.
>
> The way God views faith it isn't a work. The way you view
faith it is.

I truly believe that the way you view faith is it a work,
but the way the Bible and I view faith it cannot possibly
be a work. It is the very opposite of any kind of work.

>
> > So I believe God.
>
> No, you believe your simplistic and contradictory view of
what you think
> Scripture says.

Most Christians view the this point as I do. You are in the
very small tiny minority. The "reformed" position is a
minority
position among even evangelical Christians, let alone all
Christians.

> > God also says He saves those who believe.
>
> Of course. But you then go on to add, contrary to
everything Scipture
> says, that belief is initiated by man.

Amazing that you never post any Scripture to try to back up
your position. But the reason is obvious, because there are
none.

> You conveniently ignore "and that not of your